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Aight, so here we go again. Yet another FLV Tobacco recipe.
TLDR: Tobacco, Apple Praline
I originally started this one with vanilla toffee in mind playing off the sweetness of FLV Sweet Cigarette as a base. There are just so many good RY4-ish tobaccos out there without adding another that does not truly stand apart. I also really wanted to use my BAE Red Burley in here and started thinking of playing off of it's inherent nutty tones using FLV Praline to bolster them a bit. I used Granny Smith in this profile to keep the recipe grounded outside of RY4 territory by giving it some fruit tones and a different sweet edge. I needed some ash here but not the Kentucky Blend "crutch" ash I have been using and thought the FLV Turkish played nicely here in that it brings a bit more complexity in the tobacco profile while adding a little bit of ash.
P.S. One iteration of this took me down a very rich dessert praline tobacco trail, it is still in the works and will be coming out eventually. #staytuned ;)
Steeping Disclaimers: I really like FLV Tobaccos fresh, not that they fade away but on the Shake and Vape they have a very strong, rich and sometimes almost overwhelming presence that I enjoy. This one really comes together about day 5
VG Disclaimer, Yes, I still think tobaccos benefit more from 50%-60% VG, but do as you please, it is nice at 70% VG as well.
I single flavor tested FLV Smore in various percentages and all I could think of was damn this is all the enticing flavor notes I need to pair with a classic southern tobacco blend. But it wasn't all the notes I needed for this one.
The name? I have no clue, vaping a few iterations of this in a hotel on a business trip I just thought it needed this name :)
The combo of Red Burley and Cured is a natural one for me. They just seem to perfectly complement each other. Cured keeps Red Burley from getting too far into "Nutty Land" and Red Burley keeps cured out of the "Generic Tobacco Park" Both are excellent tobacco concentrates. I threw Tatanka in on a whim "AND IT JUST WORKS" so no magic here. I will be chucking some Tatanka in a few things going forward, another great concentrate. (If you are unlucky enough to not have Tatanka, FLV Native works really well here at 1% I just liked the Tatanka version a bit better.
The dessert notes, I really wanted this to be more of a tobacco vape with nuance notes in the back ground. I get carried away and tend to make them RICH. This is a test of my restraint in balancing a tobacco dessert profile as opposed to my usual DESSERT tobacco profiles.
FLV Smore - I really wanted this one to play here and bring a little of the toasted marshmallow and dark chocolate notes it has in. I get an indistinct creamy texture with this concentrate. It may be my broken taste buds, it may be everyone's WHO CARES, it just works here. I do not get much if any graham cracker with this concentrate. It may be that you have to take it up higher than I am brave enough to with this concentrate. The chocolate here gets to be a bit strong above 1.5% and I absolutely despise chocolate vapes.
FLV Toffee and FLV Caramel, using here to bring some more sweet to this this, some more brown, some more rich to tame this tobacco profile a bit more so that more people than me can enjoy it. Using the Toffee of course for the "Murcan" toffee note that it has and the Caramel to bring the sweet and brown up a notch. Also using these two to cut the chocolate note a bit so I can enjoy this, if you missed it, I hate chocolate vapes.
Steep times, most of you sometimes tobacco vapers are gonna want to let this sit for a week to tame those tobaccos some and let the other notes come in to play a bit more. If you are like me and enjoy that bold fresh in yo face tobacco that FLV has when fresh are gonna want to mix larger and SnV then enjoy on a steep.
VG, I truly believe that tobacco vapes are best at 60%VG or 50% VG, some will call poo on that so do as you please :) (this is good at 70% VG)
A tobacco to fill the manliest of cravings for a smoke after a hard day's work. The combination of FLV Red Burley and FLV Cured is a tried and true pairing for a smooth and straight forward tobacco flavor.
FLV Red Burley: A thick, woody tobacco with nutty undertones and a full body. This sits right in front, and makes the base for the rest of the tobaccos to rest on. At 2.75% there's no mistaking this flavor as the undisputed king of tobaccos.
FLV Cured Tobacco: Sweeter than Red Burly, with hints of pecan and cedar, this fills the few gaps in Red Burley. This adds some nice layers of nut and woody tones to the FLV Red Burley Base.
FLV Native Tobacco: The spicy sweet cousin to FLV Kentucky Blend, this is becoming one of my favorite tobaccos to work with. It has a sharp spice note on the front end, similar to a cracked vanilla bean, with a lightly honeyed finish. Very aromatic. A bit of tobacco leather body to finish up the bold tobacco profile.
FLV Lovage Root: This is quickly becoming a favorite of mine. On it's own, it's very damp and vegetal, and not all together very pleasant. When used in conjunction with these fine tobaccos however, it's properties align the stars to add a sweet moisture to your tobacco blends. This transforms everything to feel more like still fresh, not fully dried pipe tobacco. Adds a light, barely perceptible additional sweetness. This additional moisture addition also allows you to take your tobacco % a little higher than you would traditionally, as it smooths over any unwanted dry notes that are typical when using tobaccos at very high percentages.
FLV Wood Spice: This adds a fresh cedar finish to our final mix, boosting the woody notes already in the mix into the stratosphere. Surprisingly smooth, I get hints of oak and cedar throughout the vape.
A nice desert tobacco vape, tobacco is more prevalent in this than the normal desert tobacco. I started this recipe years ago using NETs for the tobacco but here it is now in it's 100% artificial glorious-ness.
Not much to notate on flavor usage here other than FLV Red Burley and FLV Cured Tobacco being two of the nicest artificial tobacco flavorings ever created!!!
FW BS, CAP FV and TFA Marsh providing a different slant on the typical caramel and vanilla RY4 base.
Good as a shake and vape, good as a mid steeper, good as a long steeper. Enjoy!
Edit after all this time, they did change Holy Grail RY4, V2 is a good RY4 but lost some of the complexity that made me fall in love with HGRY4 in the first place. It did get a bit creamier but also a bit sweeter. I might at some point release a fix for it, till then RIP HHGRY4 you are already missed, well you will be when the last of this 30 odd ounces of the original is gone ;)
I can keep revising recipes for months if not years as I get bored with a really good profile and do something different with it. Gonna release this one before I change it again. :) I have three favorite "RY4" concentrates. The original from Hangsen holds a special place in my heart, RY4 Double from TFA does as well but it tends to be on the harsh side for me. Lastly, Holy Grail RY4 from DIYFS is near to perfect for me but suffers from what all RY4s do, (in my opinion)... NOT ENOUGH TOBACCO
A simple, delectable desert tobacco.
Holy Grail RY4, one of my absolute favorite RY4s, heavy on the warm creamy caramel, heavy on the vanilla. used a bit heavy here to get the "warm creamy caramel" to the front.
FLV Red Burley, I absolutely love this concentrate. It is one of the handful of tobacco concentrates that are not NETs that I feel truly compares to a single varietal test to the actual tobacco it is named after. This is an odd concentrate, it comes in STRONG and true as a shake and vape, then dies off over a week, coming back in week two of the steep, less strong but way more nuance.
FLV Kentucky Blend, this is a really good analog cigarette concentrate, used a bit low here for a very slight smoky ash without having to use a TA. This can be left out completely but I feel it adds a nice note.
The pairing of the two FLV tobaccos here is to amplify and authenticate the little bit of tobacco that Holy Grail has. If I am going to long steep a bottle of this >3 weeks I bump the FLV Tobaccos up to double what they are here. Not that they fade away but at double what they are they maintain a stronger presence outside of the 3 week steep.
This is a really good shake and vape (by my definition, at least let it sit over night after vigorous shaking), it does change significantly over the next 14 days hitting it's peak of meld and nuance at that point. If you are a desert tobacco lover give this one a shot in a larger mix to experience the change in profile and nuance. I listed 60 vg as ideal as I feel tobaccos benefit from a bit higher PG, but it is also really good at my max VG percentage of 70. This is really good in any flavor atty/tank, different coil types and airflow will accentuate different aspects of the profile immensely.
Started off as trying to clone Foo's gold from Gaslight vapor POH line, while it follows the same profile it's not a clone, but it's damn good and perfect for the cooler months.
Rich, smooth tobacco, creamy peanut butter, and oaty cookie notes to round it all out. Either with a cup of coffee in the morning or with some dessert after dinner it's a fantastic vape.
RF oatmeal cookie is the raw extract, not the VG concentrate
Notes in the November 2016 recipe thread