Many have tried. All have failed. I just really wanted to be part of the long history of failures.
HS Magic Mix: This is my raisin note. At first I didn’t really taste it with the real thing. I thought everyone was crazy. But after a few months of forgetting about it after my first round of frantic clone attempts, I licked some off the back of my hand, and there she was. I’ll be damned, it has a raisin note.
FE Tobacco Absolute: Many have claimed that there had to be an NET in there, but I am throwing my hat in to say I think it’s a TA. I would assume that the TA was the ingredient that was no longer available and that’s why it went for its little vacation. I also believe that when AVE claims to use 40% flavoring, it is because they are making a super weak concentration of the Tobacco Absolute and using it at like 30%. I’m going to make sure the foil doesn’t fall off my head here, but I also have a hunch that they are diluting their TA in PG. They can consider it a “flavor” and still get away with saying they have no “added” PG. I mixed this up max VG and it just wasn’t quite right. 60/40 was much better. There was also the GCMS that Bobbysavage had done on some Boba’s, and it came out pretty much 60/40. I don’t think I trust any of the other results of that sample, but I’d think that the VG/PG ratio would be easier to determine. Just pure speculation, really. Just wanted to throw some of my own conspiracy theories out there to build the lore ;)
CAP Graham Cracker: It’s rich and has a hint of cinnamon. I think a lot of the flavor bending and confusing notes comes from the way all the tobaccos blend with this graham cracker.
The real pain in the ass part of trying to do a true clone was finding out what flavors were available at the time it was created in 2009. ECX was around back then, but I used the way back machine to look at the site in 2009, and the only DIY stuff it seemed like they had was PG, VG, and menthol crystals. The flavors that ECX sells as FE and everyone else sells as Super Concentrates I believe come from the Chinese company Xi’an Taima, and the only post on ECF asking about them was from 2010, so for the sake of just being done with this shit finally, I’m going to say they were probably available if you were creative back then. I did find a LinkedIn profile for the company that stated that they were founded in November of 2008, so there’s that. If everyone else uses Black Mile or Black Mile Plus, then I think I’ll be ok throwing out my own ideas on some FE tobaccos to use.
FE Captain: Not only does this flavor give me some of the same vibes that Boba’s does, it’s also pretty complex on its own. There’s so many things happening with it that others seem to pick out of Boba’s that I think I’d be stupid not to use it. Is there caramel? Vanilla? Coconut? Pipe tobacco? Chocolate? All depends on what your tongue wants to taste that day.
FE Desert Ship: When I first tested this I thought it was just begging to be thrown in a Boba’s clone. It’s got a pretty generic FE tobacco base with maybe a hint of some spices.
So the Captain takes care of those Base note subtleties, and the Desert Ship does the top note spices. The graham cracker blends them together, and also brings the raisin in to more of a bakery type of raisin, if that makes sense. And the Tobacco Absolute provides the real tobacco taste with a hint of ash.
And now I can rest easy knowing that I have thrown my name in to the bottomless pit of failed Boba’s Bounty cloners.
Note on the steeping: 7 days is the point that the Captain started to fall in to place a little more and the whole thing started to taste closer to Boba’s. It’s going to keep changing after that, but the 7 days is the point you should start saying, “Chem has lost his mind, this isn’t close at all.”
This is a “clone” of sorts of a local-ish vape shop’s juice called Pegasus Milk. I usually don’t post my non-Tobacco ventures because I don’t tend to enjoy them enough to consider them share worthy, but I’ll be gosh darned if I don’t like this one. And I’m not even a cinnamon fan. It’s simple and definitely not ground breaking or original, but I like it, so maybe others will.
DFS is Euro Flavor Orient Tobacco Black ATF doesn’t seem to have any of the Euro Flavor stuff listed, but a whole lot of the DIYFS tobaccos have mysteriously similar names. Hmmm...
Anywho, this is a tobacco and cedar forward RY4 recipe. It ain’t the kind of RY4 that’s going to remind you of grandma’s cookies or anything like that.
EF Orient Tobacco Black: Strong cedar note. Like when you open an old cedar chest and breathe in that strong, musty cedar scent. It’s a taste I never realized I was missing in DIY until I got some of the Euro Flavor tobaccos.
Black Fire: Why not burn that cedar a little bit? Give it some bite.
Black for Pipe: You know I just gotsta throw it in there to up the tobacco and bring a less intense smokiness to it than Black Fire brings.
RY4 Double: Pairs well with a stronger tobacco to mellow things out a little, but doesn’t lose the bite. Using the JF here to get away with a shorter steep time, and also because it’s just a bit cleaner and works better with real tobaccos. Doesn’t seem as sweet to me.
Vanilla Ruyan Custard: Has a bit of bite of its own with some nice vanilla notes. Good body as well.
This one seems to be good to go fairly quickly. After about three days the Black Fire and Cedar mellow out a considerable amount, and it gets smoother from there.
I’ve messed around in the past with a Red Man chew flavor, but could never quite get it. It’s always involved the RF Molasses, but the rest of it was always a bit tricky. Red Man always tasted like molasses and raisins to me, so Raisin Rum started making its way in to my attempts. It’s not a straight up raisin, but the raisin that is in there is pretty good, and the rum aspect of it isn’t totally out of place in a recipe like this. While I don’t really get a whole lot of chewing tobacco from Tatanka, it does have a really nice, full mouth feel to it, which is important if you want to make it seem like your mouth is full of delicious and thick spit (have I sold you on this recipe yet?) Red Oak is here not so much because I ever got an oak taste from the chew, but I just wanted something a little earthy to go with the tobaccos, and Red Oak also has a thick sweetness to it for me. Gold for Pipe was an idea that came from @ebc88. He thinks it tastes like chewing tobacco, so I threw her in, and it came out quite nice. I was a little worried about it bringing some smokiness to this smokeless tobacco, but I think with everything else it does more for body than anything else.
Pack your cheek with some Kiksuya Chew today!
I’d also suggest going with at least 70% VG to help with some more sweetness and body. Get thicc.
@ID10-T got some dryness in the Mixers Club sample that I sent out. If you happen to also find it a bit dry, try .5% FLV Lovage. It was in earlier versions, but in attempt to trim up the number of flavors, it got axed.
A simple Oriental blending/RYO that is light on flavor and I was really trying to capture the feel of smoke. I’ve been searching for a good ADV to alternate with my Brigade 2506 just to have a little more variety. In the last year or so I’ve experimented with more complex and flavorful recipes, but they always end up overwhelming my senses after about 30 ml, and I have to put them away for a few weeks. I thought I’d try to go a different route- nothing too robust or complex, and as smoky as I can make it so it doesn’t get old, and it doesn’t stop satisfying.
INW Oriental- it’s a light and slightly sweet oriental tobacco. Nothing flashy going on. Simple and straight forward.
FA Ozone- it’s taken me a while to get this in a mix and enjoy it. I really liked the single flavor test I did, but it is just so strong that it overwhelms things easily. I think .25% is probably the max you’ll get away with without turning it in to an Ozone recipe. Helps with the texture of “smoky” here, and also gives a little bit of boost to the leafy taste of the Absolute and Oriental.
DNB- it’s ashy. You know that already. I always think of it like sweetener or cooling agents. If what I have in the recipe is too much for you, adjust to your own taste and it won’t change the recipe much.
Garuda- Always gotta have me a Tobacco Absolute on board, and for this one I went with Garuda. It’s light and leafy, and really helps complete the tobacco taste that the Oriental lacks.
INW Turkish- it’s taken me a while to get past this just tasting like cream soda. I did a flavor review for it on reddit, and someone commented saying that they got something like a musty, old cigarette, so I tried to taste that when I tested it again. I think I can just maaaaybe get that. I don’t think I get it enough to ever use it as a base tobacco, but I tried to get clever with it here. Before I added this, it just felt like something was missing. I needed a tickle in the nose and some volume in the throat on the exhale. A little splash of INW Turkish seems to be helping a bit with that without making the whole thing taste like cream soda (which could totally be some weird thing that only I pick up on, so don’t let me scare you away from trying it.)
It’s a cigarette with a pinch of lime. Sounds weird, right? I thought so too when ID10-T told me I should try to make a Camel Twista Lime recipe for Mixers Club. Over the month of trying out various different versions of this, it kind of grew on me and started to make sense. Day drinking some beer in the summer is better with two things: cigarettes and a slice of lime. Why not put them together in a recipe?
Most of the recipe is focusing on the cigarette aspect, but I wanted it to be the kind of tobacco that would take on the lime without too much clashing. The 7 Leaves and Classic Cigarette are the big players for that. They are brighter Tobaccos that bridge the gap between the darker, spicier notes of the Desert Ship and Turkish. The Royal I am not really using for any tobacco taste, because it doesn’t really have any. It does, however, have a little hint of cooling with some fruity notes to it. Really helps keep this thing refreshing.
I picked up two different lime flavors to play with, and didn’t test any further than INW Shisha Lime. It just felt right, so it was the only one I bothered playing with.
Black Jack Tobacco: Reminds me a lot of Gold Ducat. A sort of smoky Black Cavendish vibe, but instead of a honey sweetness like Gold Ducat, it’s got a hint of licorice. It’s not an offensive amount of licorice. I really don’t care for anise or black licorice, but I’m ok with the amount in this one.
Black for Pipe: If you don’t have it or already know about it, you’re messing up. Great smoky tobacco with some dark fruit subtleties and a tobacco flavor that goes down really smooth. Must have in my opinion.
Gold for Pipe: basically honey smoke. That’s the best way I can describe it. I love it with Gold Ducat, and it’s just as magical with Black Jack.
Tobacco Absolute Garuda: Pretty much it’s just plain ol’ Tobacco leaf. Some mild sweetness, and can give just a little hint of ash when pushed to the 1.5% range- which is what I did here :)
A cherry oak pipe tobacco. Pretty simple.
A while back @matthewkocanda was talking about a cherry oak pipe tobacco that someone used to roll for him (or something like that.) Thought it sounded like a fun thing to try out, so I mixed this up, and it’s pretty gosh darn good.
INW Western: I hated it at first. Probably my fault for testing it at 5%. Got rid of it a while back and picked it up again more recently, but this time tested it at .5%. Muuuch better. Instantly became my favorite “western” flavor. Leathery tobacco with some cocoa notes.
WF Vanilla RY Custard: Can’t really say I get the “custard” part very much, but it is a good vanilla with just enough of an RY kick to be satisfying.
Those two flavors are what I really wanted to be the focus of this recipe, and I think I got them to work pretty well together.
Decided to give it a little southern twang, so I went with some Kentucky Bourbon because other bourbon flavors hurt my throat a little bit without a decent steep.
The Am4a is there to add a bit more depth to both the cocoa notes in the Western and the booze notes from the bourbon. The best way I can describe it is a cocoa liquor with some mystery mixed in. It’s unique and keeps things interesting.
Red Oak just doing its thang to give some oak to the bourbon and it plays nice with tobaccos.
FA Shade has an interesting top note to it with a bit of a less aggressive tobacco taste. I needed some more top notes because it was mostly only getting the tops from some of the Am4a, and that one is still more hearty than it is top heavy.