Boozy heat on a thin, sweet bourbon.
Used in 93 recipes at an average of 1.456%.
Setup: Recoil w/ flavor barrel, Dual 12 wrap 24g 3.5mm SS316 @.32 ohms. 60w power, 450F temp limit. Full Cotton Wicks.
Testing: Vape Train Bourbon, 1%, 4% and 8%, 60/40 VG/PG base, Steeped 24 days.
Flavor Description: Boozy heat on a thin, sweet bourbon.
The base here definitely reads as a bourbon. There's a fairly prominent sweetness to it that feels a lot like a sort of mass market bourbon level of sweetness. Tastes appropriately mellow and corn-ish. There's also a bit of oak in here. Not really overwhelmingly charred or intense, but enough to come across as an oak as opposed to a peat or any other kind of whiskey barrel. Light fruitiness, but it reads pretty accurate as that light, overripe funk from fermentation. Tastewise, pretty close to a low to mid-shelf bourbon.
There is also a boozy punch to the top end of this, and it feels reasonably accurate to a sweeter bourbon. Accurate hotter alcohol notes. They do seem to have calmed down a bit from mixing fresh, but still pretty solid for 3+ weeks of a steep. Not overwhelmingly boozy, but gets the point across pretty well.
Seems to have some textural issues. Like the other Vape Train boozes I've tried, it's a fairly thin vape. Most of the flavor here feels like it's in the top end, and without a heavier base that bourbon sweetness feels a bit sticky and thin. More like smelling bourbon than actually consuming it, but I mean, vaping and all.
Right off the bat, this doesn't really work like any of the other bourbons I've tried. It's thinner and boozier than the whole lot including TPA Kentucky Bourbon, FW Whiskey, and FLV Bourbon. Doesn't' feel like it's going to be an easy sub for anything. It's sweet like TPA Kentucky Bourbon but significantly less substantial. The Oak here isn't quite as aggressive as FLV Bourbon but it's pushing in that direction. And while it isn't as funky and almost meaty as FW Whiskey, it has some of those same weirdly savory qualities.
Off-Flavors: What's here tastes fine, but it doesn't really have a heavier, fuller base to the flavor. Feels thin and top heavy by itself.
Throat Hit: Moderate, but booze and all. Not unduly harsh for the general level of booziness.
Percentage testing: At 1%, at least with this kind of steep, I'm not getting much out of this. Slight booziness and a bit of sweetness. Nothing that really identifiably tastes like a whiskey.
At 4%, this is reading just a bit more like a whiskey. Still feels more like boozy top notes rather than a rich, robust full whiskey flavor. Light char, light sweetness, but really more just about that top-end booziness.
At 8%, this is definitely a little boozier, but still doesn't feel like a full whiskey flavor. A bit sweeter, and lightly fruity. Char seems about unchanged.
Vape Train suggests a pretty wide range for this: 1-5% mixed, and 5-9% solo. Just based on these tests, I'd be using this as an accent flavor around 3-4%. While it isn't unvapeable up higher, it doesn't really seem to be bring anything extra to the table at higher percentages.
Uses & Pairings: I'd call this a whiskey booster more than a discrete bourbon. Solo, there just isn't enough body here to convey a strong bourbon flavor.
Seems to pretty a natural fit with something like TPA Kentucky Bourbon which has that sweeter, heavier body but no distinct booziness to speak of. I'd use the Kentucky Bourbon as a base and just let this fill in some of the hotter booze notes in cocktail applications.
While the booziness here does lean bourbon, I don't think it's too oaky to use with other whiskeys like FA Whisky. Should do largely the same thing without turning that scotch base over to bourbon. VT does have a scotch whiskey flavor that I'll be testing later though, so it may not be your best option there.
If you did want to use this without whiskey backup, it could work for a lighter cocktail application like a (weaker tasting) whiskey and coke.
This wouldn't really be my choice for non-cocktail bourbon applications. Bourbon with creams, custards, and bakeries is generally more about the sweetness and body rather than any booziness. While this may end up being interesting with tobaccos, it's not going to really blend so much as add booze.
Second Opinions: Still pretty minimal.
User "King4aVape" wrote in an earlier thread about Vape Train: "bourbon - for me it's miles ahead from Kentucky bourbon tfa. Sweet, boozy, bourbony like the real deal. I'm tempted to drink it straight."
Here's the product page from Vape Train. Their Description: "pairs well with many beverage style recipes and desserts, custards and tobaccos."
Imagine if you mixed Brandy, Triple Sec, Blackcurrant syrup and then threw in a splash of Bourbon for good measure. This is what it would taste like. Take a walk on the darker side of life and give this a try. This gives you a delicious stiff drink without that pesky hangover the next day.
I used the Bergamot and Blood Orange to create a Triple Sec profile. It may not be exact but it was the ratio that I was happy with. If you do not like the taste of orange zest you may want to notch the Bergamot back a bit. The Dulce De Leche adds depth and sweetness to the fruits as well as mouth feel which is also why I added a splash of Sweet Cream. IMO a good hard liquor coats your mouth and lingers on the tongue. I am trying to recreate that texture. The Oak Wood is simply to add that "top shelf" cask aged taste to the Bourbon. If you do not have the Oak Wood you could get by without it but it really does pair well with the other flavors that I have used here. This tastes best after 24 hours and its optimal window is 1-2 weeks. After that the warm boozy notes tend to fade and the creamy caramels start to take over too much. So if you want to let it steep try cutting the Sweet Cream and Dulce De Leche in half.
This does not really need extra sweetener but I did try it with some Sugar Daddy Vanilla at 0.4% and it worked nicely. The photo was found on Google images.
Someone on Facebook shared a recipe for Bourbon Graham Cracker Candy, and my interest was piqued.
I decide to try and layer different concentrates to get the bourbon, graham, and pecan parts of the recipe. I adore FW Butter Pecan and Graham Cracker but wanted to see if I could boost them both a bit using OOO Butter Pecan and CAP Graham Cracker (which has a light bakery cinnamon note that plays well with the butter pecan and bourbon) respectively. I did the same with TFA Kentucky Bourbon and VT Bourbon . . . a proven pairing that works.
I used DIYFS Holy Holy Grail to boost the caramelized syrup of the two Butter Pecans (it is, in my opinion, a stellar caramel, and the touch of tobacco brings a nutty, earthy accent to help, both, the graham and the pecan aspects). Having attempted a graham forward recipe in the past, I wanted to round out the edges with a creamy custard, turning to the buttery, smooth FA Custard Premium to achieve that feat.
Mixed it 60vg/40pg and enjoyed it last night with several sips of whiskey . . . it was also an excellent complement to coffee this morning. After a full week with 5th graders, whose minds are still firmly fixed on summer-mode, it was a much needed respite from the chaos. Enjoy!
This is my take on Buffalo trace cream bourbon . it is a sweet creamy vanilla , caramel bourbon beverage.
JF bavarian cream and Holy vanilla create that sweet cream dairy base with a nice full mouth feel and some subtle cramel notes . The key with using these flavors is creating a dairy note that provides a sweet creaminess with out being overtly a bakery cream.
Catalan cream and Devon cream add some of the additional notes of dark chocolate, caramel and spice.
Holy vanilla ** adds a creamy milkiness and come vanilla bean notes .
**FLV milk and honey add that thick dark sweetness that I wanted as the base.
VT bourbon is slightly fruity sweet bourbon which brings some boozzie notes . The alcohol note falls off after a steep with the cream. TPA Kentucky Bourbon adds some of the bourbon body that is lacking in the VT bourbon
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Inspiration: Week 29 - Hot to Trot
This week we're taking a trip back in time a bit to the early 1900s and the pass time of the rich and poor alike - The Kentucky Derby was a larger spectacle than even Nascar is today. Ladies in their large hats and finery, gentlemen smoking their cigars and drinking their brandy, the rich in their boxes served luxury items and the poor in the dirt and muck screaming for a chance to win it big.
You've been invited to dine in the luxury booths with the likes of Rockefeller and Morgan and all the big wigs and their wives, maybe even a president or two during the big race. Let the scene take you away and inspire a juice to fit the time and how you might experience that day.
Nothings says Kentucky Derby more than Bourbon and Mint Juleps.
This an apricot mint julep crossed with a fine tobacco.
The julep: TFA Apricot, FLV Apricot, TFA Kentucky Bourbon, VT Bourbon, INW Natural Mint, and WS-23.
The tobacco: FLV Cured, FLV Native, and TFA Red Oak.
Off the shake, I get a cold blast of slightly boozy, stone fruit and mint over the top of a down to earth, smooth tobacco. The tobacco note here is extremely nostalgic for me . . . it reminds me of youthful days spent in my grandfather's tobacco barn. Though mint juleps were not on the menu, he had apricot trees and acres of tobacco. To be more representative of my younger days, I would have to 86 the mint julep and white trash this up with Lord Calvert and Sun Drop . . . but nobody wants that (with the exception of my Uncle Willie and he's been long gone for years). So, I'm going to keep it somewhat classy.
You can't have a julep without mint and lots of ice . . . so I went relatively heavy on the INW Natural Mint and WS-23.
When all is said and done, this is a cool, minty tobacco laced with bourbon and apricots.
Based off a Bourbon Rickey... and well seeing as Concrete River's name is Rick and he put me onto Auroa which I love I thought I would use his name in this one.
Kentucky Bourbon = We all know and love for that boozy note
VT Bourbon = Has more complexity in flavour than the Kentucky so rounds out our bourbon heavy cocktail
FA Aurora = The real citrus bite that you need in a Booze and Lime cocktail plus it adds some "fizz"
Fizzy Sherbet = Helps boost that fizz of the soda water and general cocktail feel
FA Lime Tahity = Pushes it a bit more towards the "lime" rather than a generic citrus or lemon
The harshness seems to settle after a day but its pretty good off the shake