A pretty solid, slightly muted Swedish Fish Flavor with a full mouthfeel.
Used in 300 recipes at an average of 4.847%.
Setup: Recoil w/ flavor barrel, Dual 15 wrap 26g 3mm Nifethal 70 coils @.14 ohms. 60w power, 450F temp limit. Full Cotton Wicks.
Testing: CAP SilverLine 27 Fishes, 2 and 5%, 60/40 VG/PG, Steeped 5 days.
Flavor Description: A pretty solid, slightly muted Swedish Fish Flavor with a full mouthfeel.
The flavor here is definitely in the ballpark of swedish fish. Tastes like an aggressively "red" candy. Capella themselves calls out red licorice and raspberry, and I could definitely see either of those. This does seem to have a bit more of a generic red licorice vibe than straight swedish fish. I also pick up something that tastes a lot like an artificial bright red cherry as an accent. Maybe missing just a light bit of tartness and deepness for an actual swedish fish, but it's definitely recognizable.
This actually has a pretty great mouthfeel. Very dense and chewy, with some of that sticky waxiness from actual swedish fish. Doesn't feel like a straight ahead gummy candy, whatever they're doing here mimics that half way between a jelly candy and gummy bear thing that actual swedish fish have. Isn't a big chemical mess like most other candy texturizers.
I do feel like this flavor could stand to be a bit more vibrant. It feels a bit muted overall, like the flavor feels just a half-step in the background and is a bit hazy through that texture. Might be fixable with some sweetener, but solo it feels like the flavor is struggling a bit against the texture here. It tastes like a swedish fish, but it doesn't quite have that mouthwatering vibrancy of actual candy. Just cranking up the percentage doesn't seem to help, as it just starts to push some off-notes to the front.
The only other explicit swedish fish flavor I've tried is TPA's Swedish Gummy, and this seems to be a pretty big step up. This is noticeably less harsh and floral than the TPA Version, and the mouthfeel is quite a bit more like actual swedish fish. I feel like TPA's version does the deeper part of the flavor a bit better, but 27 fishes is a whole lot more palatable.
Off-flavors: While this definitely tastes "red" it probably has a bit too much of a cherry or red licorice vibe to really hit swedish fish outright, but it's fairly close. The cherryish part of this gets a bit plasticy and chemical at higher percentages.
Throat Hit: Light to moderate. Not as punchy as TPA Swedish Gummy.
Percentage testing: I'm not getting too much out of this at 2%. Some light gummyish mouthfeel but not a lot of actual flavor. Pretty mellow down here, although the mouthfeel might be useful.
At 5% this is quite a bit more full. I'm getting a relatively clear candy flavor out of this but it feels a little bit muted and in the background. There's some cherry off-notes creeping in around the edges but it isn't particulary harsh or plastic. Mouthfeel is pretty solid.
Trying this a bit higher at 8% on a day steep, the flavor still feels a bit flat, but it is fuller. I'm getting more aggressive chemical off-notes but it's not awful for a bright candy flavor. Mouthfeel is legitimately sticky and full.
Just based on these tests, I'd probably start around 3% as an accent flavor, primarily for mouthfeel. I'd probably use this as a primary flavor around 6-7%.
Uses & Pairings: Passable as single flavor red swedish fish flavor solo, probably with a bit of sweetener to try to fill out that flavor a bit. I threw a drop of FA Blackcurrant in my remaining 5% sample, and even as a shake and vape its seeming to fill this out a bit more, so that's promising.
At lower percentages, this is probably going to be a pretty decent candy texturizer. Flavor is pretty weak down there, but I'm still getting some solid texture without much that tastes chemical or weird. If that little bit of red isn't going to clash with your profile, this will probably end up working a lot better than FW Gummy Candy or CAP Jelly Candy as a texturizer. I'll be doing 27 Bears tomorrow, so I'll have a better grasp on how it compares.
TPA Red Licorice is already pretty thick, but this could make it even thicker and chewier. Should also work really well with some added strawberry or non-floral raspberry.
Second Opinions: Still fairly new.
Shoutout to ceedee99uk for linking reviews from PeegoreVapes in another thread.
There's a review up from "S.R.B." on the Nicotine River website: "I can not recall ever having eaten Swedish Fish, so I can not accurately say if it's on point with how actual candy tastes. As for this flavor, it's very delicious just by itself. I mixed it in 70vg 30pg at 6%. If doing max vg, I'd go a little higher, but not by much. Perhaps a percentage point or two." Never trust anyone who hasn't had swedish fish.
Here's the product page from Capella. Their description: "Catch this red-licorice aroma, jelly raspberry treat. A smooth, sweet, chewy sensation, reminiscent of your favorite fish candy that is sure to compliment your next recipe."
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This is a remix of T-Juice Red Astaire, that utilizes a deeper berry and cherry note in the mix. Different from Mistaire, which is a bit brighter and sweeter.
Just playing around with some 27 fish. Seeing what I can make. I would say wait a couple days for the harshness to die out. Idk if it's the raspberry or just the 27 fish but it has a throat kick the first few days then it fades out after about 3. Taste good but similar to all the swedish fish recipes.
It's a wet peach gummy candy with street cred...
FA Peach White suggests a peach gummy flavor.
CAP 27 Fish. Red candy? Why not flip it? Here it works very well as a candy base and provides the right mouth feel.
FA Fuji subtly rounds out the peach flavor.
FA Meringue adds sweetness and body.
Add sweetener or coolant, if that's your thing.
Hey, this is the recipe release for a discontinued one shot at Chef's Flavours in the heartrendingly beautiful EJuiceMakers line. Shoutout to Chef's and everyone who picked this one up.
The original description was: "Stir it up with a sweet, juicy blend of blackcurrant and licorice."
I figured it probably needed some actual development notes, so here goes...
You know those "euro" style juices in the vein of heisenberg or whatever? Very sweet, very heavy on licorice or aniseed notes, and absurdly cold? I think they are fun, but they are also absolutely exhausting.
I think it's mostly a balance issue. With the intensity of those aniseed flavors and the heavy cooling they really have to punch through the flavor which requires bigger flavors which requires more sweetener etc... It's like this really weird intense feedback loop of flavor and contrast.
My design brief going into this was "like heisenberg, but for sane people." Judging by sales I didn't really accomplish that but I had a lot of fun and I'm still a fan of this recipe.
Also, Chef's is about the only place I'd risk putting out something with licorice. Licorice is great and anyone who doesn't like that flavor is a coward. Fight me.
The way I figure it, this recipe has four main components:
There is a whole lot of creative license here in calling this a blackcurrant flavor. It's mostly a blackcurrant-ish fruit built to work with licorice and cooling.
The base of the currant-esque abomination here is FA Blackcurrant. While not particularly realistic, it's the de facto standard for a "blackcurrant" in vaping. And it's a good standard! It's big, deep and sweet. The flavor leans more toward a swedish fish-esque lingonberry/raspberry/red currant or whatever, but it has that fuller, gelatinous mouthfeel that I needed to stand up to the thinning inherent with WS-23. 2% is a lot, I guess? I think it works well here in context and helps to build a solid foundation for the fruit.
The other fruits here serve to fill out the blackcurrant. FLV Boysenberry is some sort of interesting berry candy flavor that further pushed that full, sweet blackcurrant. CAP Fuji Apple is a fairly soft, juicy flavor that doesn't carry a ton of baggage. It's almost like a sweeter, less funky INW Cactus or a softer FA Pear. It's mostly here to blend into the background and add a pretty solid juiciness to that full, sweet candy blackcurrant. It's at 5%, but I feel like that is about where it starts to get noticeably juicy. It can mute a bit, but everything around it is a bit intense. Whatever. I think it works. CAP 27 Fish is yet more sticky and sweet fuel for the flavor inferno here. The 2.5% is a bit arbitrary and it could be pushed up to around 4%, but I really wanted to hit an even 15% overall for the mix because I'm a sellout and round numbers are cool.
Hey, it's FW Black Licorice. It's the thing that makes this cloudy AF off a shake. I love FW Black Licorice. I think it's a bit warm and dark, but it has a really nice, sweet body to it that provides an interesting contrast with the cooling while helping the recipe cohere up against the WS-23. At 3%, I don't feel like it's particularly overwhelming but it comes through cleanly and acts as a nice counterpoint for that big, sticky, wet blackcurrant flavor. The goal wasn't really to kick someone in the head with aniseed, but serve up an accent for the more central fruit.
I mean, WS-23 is a pretty good coolant. And I use it here. It's not overbearing at .5%, and works more to complement the recipe without absolutely blowing everything out. For me, WS-23 has this weird side effect of making all the flavor around it seem wispy and a bit flat. The rest of the recipe was essentially built to take as much mouthfeel and saturation as possible so it could still stand up to the ws-23 without a huge, huge amount of sweetener.
Yeah, there is some sucralose in here. I'd argue that it's not a ton, but I do think it makes the recipe better. It's the final thing giving that fruit flavor a nudge into vibrancy. I tend to prefer FW Sweetener but you could easily just use your damn CAP Super Sweet at like .5%. You could make this without sweetener, but the sucralose crutch helps, yo.
And that's the recipe. It really doesn't "need" to steep. It settles a bit after an overnight, but it works fine as a shake and vape.
Also, the name is from Ckemist. I think I was sort of half jokingly threatening to call it something super weird like "Black as your Heart" but I am objectively absurd and he corrected me.
RIP Phife Dawg.
Recipe made by Max Savage using the flavors from Beginner Mixer Week (Episode 2) on Developed.
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