Boozy heat on a thin, sweet bourbon.
Used in 78 recipes at an average of 1.45%.
Setup: Recoil w/ flavor barrel, Dual 12 wrap 24g 3.5mm SS316 @.32 ohms. 60w power, 450F temp limit. Full Cotton Wicks.
Testing: Vape Train Bourbon, 1%, 4% and 8%, 60/40 VG/PG base, Steeped 24 days.
Flavor Description: Boozy heat on a thin, sweet bourbon.
The base here definitely reads as a bourbon. There's a fairly prominent sweetness to it that feels a lot like a sort of mass market bourbon level of sweetness. Tastes appropriately mellow and corn-ish. There's also a bit of oak in here. Not really overwhelmingly charred or intense, but enough to come across as an oak as opposed to a peat or any other kind of whiskey barrel. Light fruitiness, but it reads pretty accurate as that light, overripe funk from fermentation. Tastewise, pretty close to a low to mid-shelf bourbon.
There is also a boozy punch to the top end of this, and it feels reasonably accurate to a sweeter bourbon. Accurate hotter alcohol notes. They do seem to have calmed down a bit from mixing fresh, but still pretty solid for 3+ weeks of a steep. Not overwhelmingly boozy, but gets the point across pretty well.
Seems to have some textural issues. Like the other Vape Train boozes I've tried, it's a fairly thin vape. Most of the flavor here feels like it's in the top end, and without a heavier base that bourbon sweetness feels a bit sticky and thin. More like smelling bourbon than actually consuming it, but I mean, vaping and all.
Right off the bat, this doesn't really work like any of the other bourbons I've tried. It's thinner and boozier than the whole lot including TPA Kentucky Bourbon, FW Whiskey, and FLV Bourbon. Doesn't' feel like it's going to be an easy sub for anything. It's sweet like TPA Kentucky Bourbon but significantly less substantial. The Oak here isn't quite as aggressive as FLV Bourbon but it's pushing in that direction. And while it isn't as funky and almost meaty as FW Whiskey, it has some of those same weirdly savory qualities.
Off-Flavors: What's here tastes fine, but it doesn't really have a heavier, fuller base to the flavor. Feels thin and top heavy by itself.
Throat Hit: Moderate, but booze and all. Not unduly harsh for the general level of booziness.
Percentage testing: At 1%, at least with this kind of steep, I'm not getting much out of this. Slight booziness and a bit of sweetness. Nothing that really identifiably tastes like a whiskey.
At 4%, this is reading just a bit more like a whiskey. Still feels more like boozy top notes rather than a rich, robust full whiskey flavor. Light char, light sweetness, but really more just about that top-end booziness.
At 8%, this is definitely a little boozier, but still doesn't feel like a full whiskey flavor. A bit sweeter, and lightly fruity. Char seems about unchanged.
Vape Train suggests a pretty wide range for this: 1-5% mixed, and 5-9% solo. Just based on these tests, I'd be using this as an accent flavor around 3-4%. While it isn't unvapeable up higher, it doesn't really seem to be bring anything extra to the table at higher percentages.
Uses & Pairings: I'd call this a whiskey booster more than a discrete bourbon. Solo, there just isn't enough body here to convey a strong bourbon flavor.
Seems to pretty a natural fit with something like TPA Kentucky Bourbon which has that sweeter, heavier body but no distinct booziness to speak of. I'd use the Kentucky Bourbon as a base and just let this fill in some of the hotter booze notes in cocktail applications.
While the booziness here does lean bourbon, I don't think it's too oaky to use with other whiskeys like FA Whisky. Should do largely the same thing without turning that scotch base over to bourbon. VT does have a scotch whiskey flavor that I'll be testing later though, so it may not be your best option there.
If you did want to use this without whiskey backup, it could work for a lighter cocktail application like a (weaker tasting) whiskey and coke.
This wouldn't really be my choice for non-cocktail bourbon applications. Bourbon with creams, custards, and bakeries is generally more about the sweetness and body rather than any booziness. While this may end up being interesting with tobaccos, it's not going to really blend so much as add booze.
Second Opinions: Still pretty minimal.
User "King4aVape" wrote in an earlier thread about Vape Train: "bourbon - for me it's miles ahead from Kentucky bourbon tfa. Sweet, boozy, bourbony like the real deal. I'm tempted to drink it straight."
Here's the product page from Vape Train. Their Description: "pairs well with many beverage style recipes and desserts, custards and tobaccos."
This is a Rich Chocolate Pudding with light Bourbon Notes. Great Mouthfeel Dense Vape. We can all have an off camera Zippy Moment with this one!!
ThE pUdDiNg BaSe
VT CHOCOLATE MOUSSE - This is one of my favorite chocolate concentrates sadly it cannot be used in every application but it still ranks very high for me. This concentrate brings a medium to dark chocolate flavor but the greatest part about this n es it actually taste fluffy and airy like a mouthfull of chocolate whipped cream.
VT FRENCH VANILLA ICE CREAM - This adds a much needed vanilla note and creaminess to the base of this recipe as well as adding to the overall mouthfeel
FLAVORAH VANILLA PUDDING - Not much else to say about this one that hasn't been said. Light vanilla pudding texture and creaminess. great mouthfeel as well as a blender to combine the ingredients in the recipe for a uniform taste through out.
WONDER FLAVORS BOURBON - For me this concentrate taste and smells like Jack Daniels - It is pretty well balanced in flavor profile. There really isnt a total bourbon flavoring out there for me but this one would be in the combo to achieve it . The Flavor has a slight alcohol note and some of the oaky flavor needed in a bourbon. it is missing that burn you get from drinking a bourbon by the shot.
VAPE TRAIN BOURBON - This concentrate has more of the alcohol note you need to do a bourbon right. It is still light on the woodsy notes needed in a bourbon but again would be part of a combo if trying to make a good bourbon vape. I think i could relate this concentrate to maybe a Makers Mark type of flavor.
These two together give a nice Bourbon NOTE ON THE EXHALE of the vape and doesn't hide the Chocolate Puddin'.
a mix made for Alex Mcanally, known for being in the army and liking green stuff and having a crush on all his vape mates.
Alex Mixanally - a rich vanilla custard pummelled with bourbon whisky and salted caramel then finished off with hazelnut and coconut.
3 different custard-esque concentrates combine to make the base (LB VIC, CAP VC, WF Tahitian) using LB and WF means it is going to steep out a bit quicker although some people may need to give this a few days due to the CAP V1.
VTA salted caramel has been chosen as i find it the least "burnt" of all the salted caramels, well, all the ones that matter anyway... VTA golden syrup helps make that salted caramel a soft set caramel and also plays beautifully with the bourbon.
VTA bourbon used at 2% avoided any smokiness but wasn't as strong as i'd like so i topped up with a smidge of FLV bourbon just to make it present enough but not to overtake everything else.
FA coconut, Self Explanatory... used at 1.5% just to sit behind everything and not be overbearing.
If you like this recipe and what i do then please rate and review accordingly :)
Ok this one is bit complex so lets start with the easy part, cooling on the front(ws-23) and back(polar blast) end since this is frozen drink. Next up is the vanilla ice cream and LB VIC + VS is a pretty clear cut choice. You can't have a mudslide without a little milk which is where OOO Creamy Underpants comes into play and the flavora Milk & Honey adds a little bit of malt. The VT Devon cream is straight chocolate milk which there is just a touch of here to help to emulate the chocolate syrup without going overboard, while adding to the milkshakey base. The mudslide is a Kahlua based booze drink so the Caramel Coffee with Sweet Milk and VT Bourbon come together to be the star. The FW Hazelnut is really playing the role of emulsifier here with all these different creams.
Labor of love this recipe turned out to be.. The percentages took some time to play around with inbetween each steep time for each batch.. I never look up other peoples recipes to see how they are doing with thier own for this type of recipe.. I prefer to play around on my own and if I am close to someone else that would be my bad. This recipe has been on my ELR for sometime before I decided to release the recipe over here on ATF.. Huge shout out to Daytime Frank as well as Tam Vapes for all the support they give to the communities..
VT Bourbon with Chocolate of any type is so good and adds a very slight boozie note to the mix.
WF Coconut Custard is a huge versitile flavor to use and I like the coconut as it seems like coconut flakes and not a cooked type of coconut and not the sunscreen type of coconut.
TPA White Chocolate is always needed with all chocolates to give back the coco butter to the mix and creams it up and takes off the shapeness of all chocolates.
OOO Sweet Cream is a must with this type of mix to add the extra sweet creamy notes to not have a dry hit from the vape.
HS Australian Chocolate along with the fluffiness of the VTA Chocolate Mousse great pairing and you need to try it for yourself to see what I mean.
This is an idea that I had to make something that I used to really like, crown/Makers Mark and gingerale. Then I got to thinking about a Shirley temple so I wanted to get a cherry flavor in there without the medicine. Really not a ton going on here. The FLV Ginger is a pretty strong ginger and paired with citrus soda/fizzy sherb lemon/lime soda base gets me a pretty solid gingerale taste.
An Arnold Palmer spiked with Bourbon.
This is not really my recipe. It was supposed to be a collaboration with me, @AlfredPudding, and Isuamadog. But you know how there’s often that one guy on a group project who does all the work? Yeah, that was not me. This is really AlfredPudding’s recipe. If he tries to protest and declare otherwise, don’t listen to him. He’s only being overly humble and modest.
FLV Lemon Tea is the heart of this thing, the star of the show. “What? But it’s only at 1% and TFA Sweet Tea is at a whopping 14%?!”
Yes. Usually using one flavor to bend another involves adding a small amount of something to pull another flavor in one direction or another or turn it into something it isn’t. But in this case, the relatively strong Lemon Tea is getting pulled slightly by the stupidly weak TFA Sweet Tea. Things taste different when they’re heated and Lemon Tea tastes like hot tea with lemon and no sugar. TFA makes it more of a half-sweet tea with lemon, that tastes more like iced tea. TFA Sweet Tea wouldn’t work for this by itself because it doesn’t have the backbone to stand up to these other flavors, but Lemon Tea does, it just needed to get bent. We don’t just want tea with a lemon wedge, though, we want lemonade. INW Shisha Lemon and CAP Super Sweet does that. The Shisha Lemon sits on the fence between candy and natural lemon juice. Pairing it with some sucralose and preservative magic transforms it into a solid lemonade flavor. The result tastes like lemonade made from a powder mix, but with few lemon slices added for that fresher flavor thanks to Lemon Tea’s more natural lemon flavor.
The Bourbon Trifecta: The triple bourbon flavors were used because they each have their own strengths. VT Bourbon gives us that boozy top note that lets you know right away this is a cocktail. Think about it; if you raise a Back Nine, Dirty Palmer, or whatever you want to call it, to your face, the first thing you’re going to notice is that there’s bourbon in there, along with the lemon if real lemons were involved at all. VT does that. But this drink is shaken or stirred and the Bourbon isn’t just sitting on top. There’s a deeper, sweeter flavor mingled with the lemonade, one where you can almost taste the corn used to make the sour mash that eventually became Bourbon. That’s where the TFA Kentucky Bourbon comes in. Finally, there’s the flavor of the charred oak barrel in which the Bourbon was aged mingled with the more astringent, earthy aspects of tea. Only FLV Bourbon is capable of that delivering that. The Bourbon Trifecta.
FA Polar Blast was a final addition meant to make this refreshment extra refreshing and make the “cold things should be cold” crowd happy. It was chosen over WS-23 because it’s a more of a back-end cooling that doesn’t get weird with the VT Bourbon’s warm booze top note the way WS-23 does. It still had to be used relatively lightly to also avoid interfering too much with the tea at the end, but is present enough to be reminiscent of an ice cube sliding over and touching your lip just before you lower the glass after taking a drink.
Imagine if you mixed Brandy, Triple Sec, Blackcurrant syrup and then threw in a splash of Bourbon for good measure. This is what it would taste like. Take a walk on the darker side of life and give this a try. This gives you a delicious stiff drink without that pesky hangover the next day.
I used the Bergamot and Blood Orange to create a Triple Sec profile. It may not be exact but it was the ratio that I was happy with. If you do not like the taste of orange zest you may want to notch the Bergamot back a bit. The Dulce De Leche adds depth and sweetness to the fruits as well as mouth feel which is also why I added a splash of Sweet Cream. IMO a good hard liquor coats your mouth and lingers on the tongue. I am trying to recreate that texture. The Oak Wood is simply to add that "top shelf" cask aged taste to the Bourbon. If you do not have the Oak Wood you could get by without it but it really does pair well with the other flavors that I have used here. This tastes best after 24 hours and its optimal window is 1-2 weeks. After that the warm boozy notes tend to fade and the creamy caramels start to take over too much. So if you want to let it steep try cutting the Sweet Cream and Dulce De Leche in half.
This does not really need extra sweetener but I did try it with some Sugar Daddy Vanilla at 0.4% and it worked nicely. The photo was found on Google images.
Someone on Facebook shared a recipe for Bourbon Graham Cracker Candy, and my interest was piqued.
I decide to try and layer different concentrates to get the bourbon, graham, and pecan parts of the recipe. I adore FW Butter Pecan and Graham Cracker but wanted to see if I could boost them both a bit using OOO Butter Pecan and CAP Graham Cracker (which has a light bakery cinnamon note that plays well with the butter pecan and bourbon) respectively. I did the same with TFA Kentucky Bourbon and VT Bourbon . . . a proven pairing that works.
I used DIYFS Holy Holy Grail to boost the caramelized syrup of the two Butter Pecans (it is, in my opinion, a stellar caramel, and the touch of tobacco brings a nutty, earthy accent to help, both, the graham and the pecan aspects). Having attempted a graham forward recipe in the past, I wanted to round out the edges with a creamy custard, turning to the buttery, smooth FA Custard Premium to achieve that feat.
Mixed it 60vg/40pg and enjoyed it last night with several sips of whiskey . . . it was also an excellent complement to coffee this morning. After a full week with 5th graders, whose minds are still firmly fixed on summer-mode, it was a much needed respite from the chaos. Enjoy!