By: Flavorah (FLV)
Used in 451 recipes at an average of 0.653%.
Santa chillin after a long night. This is what his ass vapes.
So, this started out as trying to find a way to use a flavor I really enjoy, LB WCPM. Solo up to 10-12, it delivers flavor, a very sweet, seriously minty, lightly chocolatey vibe. I decided to try to keep this as high as possible and to try to accent it with as little as possible. The first attempt was wcpm 12 / ct shade 1.5 / choc deutch 1.5 and I really enjoyed what was happening. Eventually I sorted it out to wcpm 11 / ct shade 1.25 / CD 0.75. What you get there is a reaaaaaly sweet mintiness that has a dark musky undertone of cocoa tobacco wrapper and a slight choc coconut finish. I liked it and decided to try to balance it all a bit better. I was testing ry4's and got kind of bored and dripped a little of the early version on after and realized it was a much deeper, fuller flavor with the ry4 in there. At first I thought, why not just use the FE with some mint and make a minty caramel until I realized I had the work all done right here and tested the v1 with some FE in it. The flavor, while 'good' and kind of 'what i wanted' just didnt seem to make sense to keep the WCPM so high. It worked fine supa high as a featured flavor with minor accents but it wasn't quite jelling here. Tried a few percentages and settled on this combo as a nice compromise.
This is like a chocolate andes style mint with some caramel to mellow it out. Best after 6 days, but totally SnV for me.
Some notes: This version is the most "tobacco-y" version of these flavors that I liked. I was intentionally trying to use the WCPM as a feature but bring it down enough to where the tobacco is prominent. I had my friend, fieldgreens, send me some feedback and he got a lot of leaf out of it. I vape tobaccos nearly all day, so I don't even notice it. If that's you and you want a non tobacco version of this, I would say the three main flavors work together pretty well: WCPM, CD and CT Shade. So, if you're set on trying it but a tobacco newbie, give WCPM 8-10 / CD 0.75-1 / CT 0.25-0.5 a whirl. Or sub in a less tobacco-y RY like JF/MB/FA
WCPM - A very interesting flavor with a really pleasant mint and a really wide range of % for use. I've taken it up to 12 and it can get sickly sweet but the white chocolate doesnt get offensive, just a little too creamy and in your face. At 7.5, that's the lowest I could get it here and still have it be 'minty' but I can see it used as an accent even lower. Early versions had it much higher and when I want it sweet, I dial it up to 10. (currently vaping a version at 10 as I type).
Choc Deutch - A really nice chocolate with hints of coconut. Early versions had me using this over 1% and that coconut finish was good, just I found it distracting and aimed for lower just to have that add to the creaminess of the white chocolate rather than as its own accent. If you want this sweeter, more chocolate-y, dial it up to 1.25/1.5 max ime and you get a prominent flavor out of it.
CT Shade - Touted as a cigar leafy wrapper, famous for being a bully in a mix, generally used at 0.25-0.5 as an accent in mixes. at 0.25 it's ruined mixes for me. Here at 1.25, it brings those strong hints of cocoa and coffee while still bringing that leafiness and making this an unusual tobacco vape. There's really no filler bacco so all that chocolate and sweet don't let my mind register it as a tobacco mix. I'm also used to it, so it doesnt stand out to me here. The other flavors stand up to it quite well imo
FE Ry4 - I chose this based on tests that gave me a dry leafy almost spicy vibe. I didn't want something wetter or too caramelly. I've tried other RY4's as a sub here and without. I think I like this as a bridge between the white and dark chocolates from the WCPM and the CD so it stayed put in the final recipe.
- The distinct coconut finish that was there with a higher CD is now not there so if you want that, crank that up to 1-1.5
- The mint is mellowed so if you want full on, you can increase the WCPM the same amount you decrease the RY4 or it'll be crack your teeth sweet. Or add some yourself. I imagine Arctic winter in low percents will work with a bit of a steep. ymmv
- You can probably sub the ry4 for another. FE is a bit 'drier' and 'leafier' to me. Fit really well with the mix and the shade specifically. They kind of melded and made the shade notes less distinctly prominent, turning that tobacco base into something much more akin to brown richness.
- Should note that after two weeks the baccos are more prominent so if you dont like that, make only as much as you will vape in a week or bump up the WCPM a bit.
I can see doing a zillion things with this and, likely, probably will. Enjoy, don't be afraid to adapt, comment, or trash it.
safety note: FLV CD is on the Avoid list. idgaf :)
This sort of came together as a bit of blind experimentation.
I've been on an unapologetic tobacco kick for a bit now, and I've really been riding Tatanka as an anchor point for myself with those mixes. It's sorta sweet and plays well with others, which had made it extremely forgiving to tie it into recipes.
Red Burley is just such a mutable base that it felt like the "right" place to go to tie in with the tatanka tobacco in an agreeable way.
Connecticut shade is an odd duck to me, there's a ton of depth there, but every time I use it, I feel like I've gotta take a leap of faith with it because the smell totally hides how tasty it can be when used to accent a mix.
With that, the horchata was chosen to help add the cinnamon spice notes and a touch of body in tandem with the magic that is sweet coconut, which was chosen for both the flavor and the density of it. I wanted a bit of weight to the mix along with that sweet coconut flavor.
Finally FLV smooth vanilla acts as something of a bridge between the tobaccos and the coconut-horchata mixture.
My first abstract profile, it is not really a tobacco and not even tropical. Can appeal to non tobacco lovers, as it is non smokey or leafy, but it is complex, dense and satisfying with a tropical sweetness that makes you smile (quite rightly!).
Sweet Guava is such a staple, but has little to do with an actual guava fruit (which is too pungent and weird). This is a sweet, non descript dense, fruity flavor with a delicious ripe banana note. This note pairs great with the chocolaty additives Red Burley and Connecticut Shade are, Virginia is in the background to smooth out and give a little somewhat.
Like the supposed meaning of Donovan's song, as he put it: "being mellow, laid-back, chilled out." Nothing to do with smoking banana strands or electrical bananas, for that matter.
ED: I enjoy it on a few days steep as I'm accustomed to the initial zing of FLV baccos, but it will balance out in a week, as @Xist kindly points out in the review.
Really wanted a quick SnV desert tobacco. Connecticut Shade's chocolate/coffee notes lend well to blending with the chocolate mint of CdM, and they all work with cinnamon. Added some Australian Chocolate to make the chocolate the predominant non-tobacco flavor, and then the Red Burley and Native tobaccos to make it clear this is a tobacco vape.
Bonus for anyone who thinks they deciphered the acronym. And as always... use PEG or PDO if you're gonna mix at the suggested ratio, I don't need to end up on a Throat Offenders Registry because someone thought I meant they should vape that much PG.
Finally discovered that the infamous V-GOD Silver vanilla profile was: custard! (plues some vanillin, and a ton of sweetener). This is no clone, it is way better (checked with buddys) and the tobacco is really present.
This (INW) Custard lets the tobacco shine, with different accents that make it interesting on each vape.
(FLV) Cured and (FLV) Kentucky give it the spice and smoke
(FLV) Red Burley adds tones of dark, sweet cocoa
(FLV) Connecticut Shade is an intense, full tasty accent (do not overdo or it reigns all!)
and (FLV) Native is the sweet connection to the vanillas.
(DFS) Holy Vanilla delivers (specially for the slightly vanilla blind, like me!)
(INW) Custard is the hidden ingredient, which loses its desert profile to support the tobaccos brilliantly.
Vanillas need to steep, tobaccos are great on SNV but will evolve pleasantly. Give it at least 4 days for 70% VG so it all blends well.
Dark, rich and rewarding tobacco . This ons is not for feint-hearted.
LB tobacco/Flv Conneticut shade - dark and morbid with deep fermented tones and accents of cloves and cardemon. In fact, it is so depressing it makes Norilsk seem like Disney land in spring.
We then drape the tobacco base in a macabre blanket of flv cured and minora blades while whimsically whisling to the tune of "Dress rehearsal rags" by Leonard Cohen.
Flv virginia - the sweet golden virginia provides the last sliver of hope that helps you cling on to your mortal coil.
FA black pepper - to burn your tongue, if you dare lick your wounds.
Its is a fantastically dark and rich tobacco profile with deep aromatic tones and a lingering tobacco aftertaste... Oh and it hits like a ton of bricks.
Went through 3 versions of this, landing at this one. I like my tobacco vapes pretty strong, so give this one a 2 week steep before you try it. I have mixed dozens of "cuban cigar" recipes and nothing tastes like them like mine does.
If other cuban cigar recipes have you longing for more punch, look no further.
Triple punch of shade, fire, and DNB give it the bitterness needed for tobacco vapes, and the dual cuban flavors give it the richness. AP and BR smooth out the top notes and add some subtle sweetness.
Original Idea: Caramel Nutty Tobacco
Process: Worked on in the diy_ejuice discord by members who were present. Finalized in the second iteration, these are the original version's ratios. It had a bit more cream and the unfortunate addition of FLV Connecticut Shade which just overpowered the caramel notes and buried the subtleties of the tobaccos. Some experimentation with the original formula yielded this mix. Added to top it off was just a hair of INW Shisha Vanilla which adds warmth and a sensation of sweet without the added sugar and FLV Clove. Clove dried the mix up quite a bit and played off the rich notes from the CT Shade making this a really rich spiced tobacco blend.
Description: Spicy, nutty, creamy, caramel, dry, and tobacco forward
Result: This alteration to the V1 fixed some of the balancing issues we were having. Adding FLV Clove and Shisha Vanilla really balanced out all the creams and tamed the bullying of CT Shade leaving you with a heavily spiced, RY4 that wasnt too sweet, rich or carmel-ly. We hope you try it and enjoy it as much as we did.
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Recipe of the Month on reddit.com/r/DIY_eJuice, February 2019! Thanks for the updoots everyone!
I asked AlfredPudding to help me make a juice for my sister, who has very different tastes from my own. He put together this nutty, robust and full-bodied unsweetened tobacco blend that turned out so great that I made a second large batch for myself.
Here's Alfred on the details:
"Connecticut Shade is a darker, coffee-like and syrupy tobacco flavor. That pairs really well with Red Burley which is a more robust and dry nutty tobacco flavor that works into the Almond. RY4 Double adds a hint of dirty caramel without making the entire profile too sweet or cloying. Finally, Rice Crunchies is used as a modifier to make the whole thing seem more dry and nutty."
Whenever I get burnt out on the sweet, fruity/dessert-oriented flavors that I typically vape, I load this into my tank.
Variations I've tried and enjoyed: FA Hazelnut can replace the Almond. If you'd like to add a vanilla accent, 2% FA Vanilla Bourbon works well, either in place of or addition to Almond or Hazelnut.
Thanks for the recipe Alfred, your talent is matched only by your generosity!