A little while back I got myself trapped in another Boba’s Bounty hole. It was really a dark place to be because I spent so much time trying to clone a juice I didn’t even like. So to get me out of that insane hole, I decided to take that profile, and do it how I would do it. And, more importantly, make something that I would actually like. That’s what this is.
It’s a very middle of the road recipe. No real top notes to wear down your tongue. Not too sweet. Very full flavor. There’s a dessert/bakery aspect, obviously, but there’s also some decent smoky tobacco notes. It walks the line between several different things. It has been a bit of a challenge for me to let it steep long enough to see the places it goes. Right after mixing, the Gold Ducat was pretty apparent. It had a stronger smoky vibe. After about a week the graham cracker, Butter Pecan, and Red Dates started to take over a bit more. It’s been a while since I’ve been excited about a recipe, and this one has me pretty excited.
I think these people will enjoy this recipe:
Don’t let the name fool you, it’s not a super smoky mix. I just like naming recipes after Iron and Wine songs.
Ever since I filtered and mixed up my Mac Baren HH Old Dark Fired NET, I knew that Kentucky was going to hold a special place in my tongue’s heart. One of the things that really jumped out at me was an almost smoky BBQ flavor. It was very familiar.
INW Smooth Leaf tastes pretty spot on, but it’s really tricky to work with. Too little, it’s lost. Too much, it gets a bit too BBQ sauce-ish. It’s very bold and in your face, but also brings this strange mouth feel along with it. When I first tested it and tried playing around with it, I decided pretty quickly it was going to be one of those “never use” flavors. Then I decided to try to make an accurate Kentucky Tobacco, which pretty much forced me in to finding a spot for it.
I threw a little FA Black Fire in there to give it a bit more of a “Fire Cured” vibe. This brought along more top notes than I really wanted, so I tried to tone those down with some INW DNB.
I usually suggest using DNB at whatever percent you’re comfortable with, but in this one it’s less of a condiment and has a bit more of a vital role, so keep it at .5%.
The base here is a combo of FLV Kentucky and FR Woody Tobacco. The Flavor Revolution tobaccos are actually pretty damn good. I used Woody because I wanted it a little earthier and there’s a hint of some smoky wood in there. FLV Kentucky giving a bit of body and punch.
This is one of those recipes that probably not a lot of people will be able to mix up because FR Woody Tobacco is only available at Nicotine River, and they don’t seem to be too popular, and INW Smooth Leaf isn’t sold anywhere that I’ve seen in the US. But I could have made it easy to make, or I could have made it as authentic as I could. I went with the latter.
Every October the family goes to the local apple orchard to pick a basket of apples, and then takes the hay ride back to the pumpkin patch. When we have all our stuff ready, we go in to the little shop area to pay. This recipe is what that little shop smells like.
There’s spices unknown all blending together in the country air. There’s apples, obviously. So many apples. Is it the fresh squeezed apple cider? Apples from the orchard? Pies? Maybe some coconut candles or jam that was probably made by someone’s sweet old grandma. There’s so many different things hitting your nose, but nothing is offensive. There’s no off notes, but you’re not quite able to pick out every subtlety.
That’s the inspiration for this recipe. I usually don’t post my non-tobacco recipes because I usually find that I’m just bumbling around with fruits in my hands, but I’m actually pretty proud of this one- not just as a fruity recipe, but just in general.
This was just a winging it type of thing. I got the New York Cheesecake a while back, but never used it. I figured I’d try to do something with it. INW Marzipan is pretty tasty, so in it went. Meringue just because. And Dark for Pipe because it’s got some of those dark fruit notes that goes really well with the Marzipan in my opinion. So this isn’t really supposed to be anything. I wasn’t shooting for a cherry cheesecake pipe or something weird like that. Just picked some flavors that I thought would work well together.
Just a quick something I threw together to fight off the vaper’s tongue I’ve been getting with the Fire Cured NETs I’ve been vaping. I had a buddy try it thinking I’d trick him in to trying something he hated, but then he said it was beautiful, so I reckon I’ll share it with the world. I don’t know if any place in the US carries the INW Aloe- it was an impulse buy the last time I ordered direct from Inawera. You could probably just use a lil bit of INW Cactus.
Many have tried. All have failed. I just really wanted to be part of the long history of failures.
HS Magic Mix: This is my raisin note. At first I didn’t really taste it with the real thing. I thought everyone was crazy. But after a few months of forgetting about it after my first round of frantic clone attempts, I licked some off the back of my hand, and there she was. I’ll be damned, it has a raisin note.
FE Tobacco Absolute: Many have claimed that there had to be an NET in there, but I am throwing my hat in to say I think it’s a TA. I would assume that the TA was the ingredient that was no longer available and that’s why it went for its little vacation. I also believe that when AVE claims to use 40% flavoring, it is because they are making a super weak concentration of the Tobacco Absolute and using it at like 30%. I’m going to make sure the foil doesn’t fall off my head here, but I also have a hunch that they are diluting their TA in PG. They can consider it a “flavor” and still get away with saying they have no “added” PG. I mixed this up max VG and it just wasn’t quite right. 60/40 was much better. There was also the GCMS that Bobbysavage had done on some Boba’s, and it came out pretty much 60/40. I don’t think I trust any of the other results of that sample, but I’d think that the VG/PG ratio would be easier to determine. Just pure speculation, really. Just wanted to throw some of my own conspiracy theories out there to build the lore ;)
CAP Graham Cracker: It’s rich and has a hint of cinnamon. I think a lot of the flavor bending and confusing notes comes from the way all the tobaccos blend with this graham cracker.
The real pain in the ass part of trying to do a true clone was finding out what flavors were available at the time it was created in 2009. ECX was around back then, but I used the way back machine to look at the site in 2009, and the only DIY stuff it seemed like they had was PG, VG, and menthol crystals. The flavors that ECX sells as FE and everyone else sells as Super Concentrates I believe come from the Chinese company Xi’an Taima, and the only post on ECF asking about them was from 2010, so for the sake of just being done with this shit finally, I’m going to say they were probably available if you were creative back then. I did find a LinkedIn profile for the company that stated that they were founded in November of 2008, so there’s that. If everyone else uses Black Mile or Black Mile Plus, then I think I’ll be ok throwing out my own ideas on some FE tobaccos to use.
FE Captain: Not only does this flavor give me some of the same vibes that Boba’s does, it’s also pretty complex on its own. There’s so many things happening with it that others seem to pick out of Boba’s that I think I’d be stupid not to use it. Is there caramel? Vanilla? Coconut? Pipe tobacco? Chocolate? All depends on what your tongue wants to taste that day.
FE Desert Ship: When I first tested this I thought it was just begging to be thrown in a Boba’s clone. It’s got a pretty generic FE tobacco base with maybe a hint of some spices.
So the Captain takes care of those Base note subtleties, and the Desert Ship does the top note spices. The graham cracker blends them together, and also brings the raisin in to more of a bakery type of raisin, if that makes sense. And the Tobacco Absolute provides the real tobacco taste with a hint of ash.
And now I can rest easy knowing that I have thrown my name in to the bottomless pit of failed Boba’s Bounty cloners.
Note on the steeping: 7 days is the point that the Captain started to fall in to place a little more and the whole thing started to taste closer to Boba’s. It’s going to keep changing after that, but the 7 days is the point you should start saying, “Chem has lost his mind, this isn’t close at all.”
This is a “clone” of sorts of a local-ish vape shop’s juice called Pegasus Milk. I usually don’t post my non-Tobacco ventures because I don’t tend to enjoy them enough to consider them share worthy, but I’ll be gosh darned if I don’t like this one. And I’m not even a cinnamon fan. It’s simple and definitely not ground breaking or original, but I like it, so maybe others will.
DFS is Euro Flavor Orient Tobacco Black ATF doesn’t seem to have any of the Euro Flavor stuff listed, but a whole lot of the DIYFS tobaccos have mysteriously similar names. Hmmm...
Anywho, this is a tobacco and cedar forward RY4 recipe. It ain’t the kind of RY4 that’s going to remind you of grandma’s cookies or anything like that.
EF Orient Tobacco Black: Strong cedar note. Like when you open an old cedar chest and breathe in that strong, musty cedar scent. It’s a taste I never realized I was missing in DIY until I got some of the Euro Flavor tobaccos.
Black Fire: Why not burn that cedar a little bit? Give it some bite.
Black for Pipe: You know I just gotsta throw it in there to up the tobacco and bring a less intense smokiness to it than Black Fire brings.
RY4 Double: Pairs well with a stronger tobacco to mellow things out a little, but doesn’t lose the bite. Using the JF here to get away with a shorter steep time, and also because it’s just a bit cleaner and works better with real tobaccos. Doesn’t seem as sweet to me.
Vanilla Ruyan Custard: Has a bit of bite of its own with some nice vanilla notes. Good body as well.
This one seems to be good to go fairly quickly. After about three days the Black Fire and Cedar mellow out a considerable amount, and it gets smoother from there.
I’ve messed around in the past with a Red Man chew flavor, but could never quite get it. It’s always involved the RF Molasses, but the rest of it was always a bit tricky. Red Man always tasted like molasses and raisins to me, so Raisin Rum started making its way in to my attempts. It’s not a straight up raisin, but the raisin that is in there is pretty good, and the rum aspect of it isn’t totally out of place in a recipe like this. While I don’t really get a whole lot of chewing tobacco from Tatanka, it does have a really nice, full mouth feel to it, which is important if you want to make it seem like your mouth is full of delicious and thick spit (have I sold you on this recipe yet?) Red Oak is here not so much because I ever got an oak taste from the chew, but I just wanted something a little earthy to go with the tobaccos, and Red Oak also has a thick sweetness to it for me. Gold for Pipe was an idea that came from @ebc88. He thinks it tastes like chewing tobacco, so I threw her in, and it came out quite nice. I was a little worried about it bringing some smokiness to this smokeless tobacco, but I think with everything else it does more for body than anything else.
Pack your cheek with some Kiksuya Chew today!
I’d also suggest going with at least 70% VG to help with some more sweetness and body. Get thicc.
@ID10-T got some dryness in the Mixers Club sample that I sent out. If you happen to also find it a bit dry, try .5% FLV Lovage. It was in earlier versions, but in attempt to trim up the number of flavors, it got axed.